Domain restriction

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:02 pm

If my opinion counts I´ld say that tzuk has created, I´m sure that not with intention, a confusing situation writing on main page that "Sandboxie is free" when it´s not.

Sandboxie has several functions limited until registered. None program being free does that.

If I was tzuk I´ld modify the statement about Sandboxie being free from main page because it leads to empty discussions and confusion.

Discussions of the next type:

Sandboxie is software
Sandboxie is free
therefore sandboxie is free software
Conclusion: Sandboxie is freeware (which is wrong as we know)

Regards.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:05 am

Not sure if this is true, tzuk probably started with SB as truly free in the early days and as the interest and consumers' demand get stronger, licensing and profitability seeps in and etc.

Agreed with you that tzuk should correct his homepage to reflect shareware which is what SB really is now.

tzuk · Post by **tzuk** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:15 am

Folks you're wasting your time arguing these semantics. Instead try this:

http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=15048

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:47 am

Tried....so how does this helps?

dlguild · Post by **dlguild** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:27 am

The Sandboxie license has never changed. It has always stated that commercial use is not free. Version 3.20 added enforcement for this policy by sensing the presence of a domain. Since the vast majority of domains are present in commercial installations, this is a totally reasonable approach. The one notable exception is laptop usage. Thus it is clear from the laptop test Tzuk is running (indicated above) that Tzuk is working on a method to sense this exception. Instead of complaining, run the test & report the results so Tzuk can get on with the modification, which is for YOUR benefit.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:44 am

dlguild wrote:The Sandboxie license has never changed. It has always stated that commercial use is not free. Version 3.20 added enforcement for this policy by sensing the presence of a domain. Since the vast majority of domains are present in commercial installations, this is a totally reasonable approach. The one notable exception is laptop usage. Thus it is clear from the laptop test Tzuk is running (indicated above) that Tzuk is working on a method to sense this exception. Instead of complaining, run the test & report the results so Tzuk can get on with the modification, which is for YOUR benefit.

Ok, imagine next situation:

A company visits http://www.sandboxie.com/ and what do they read?

[...]

The Alternative

Sandboxie is free so... [...]

Where are the exceptions to that statement on main page? I don´t see none mentioning about companies, shareware licenses or whatever you want.

What kind of license uses Sandboxie is not discussed. The issue is focused in that statement which is wrong. Maybe it was correct in the past (I don´t know) but clearly is not ok anymore.

Regards.

P.S. Not to mention that free software doesn´t contain crippled features that get enabled after paying an amount of money. Or it´s free or it´s not.

tzuk · Post by **tzuk** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:09 pm

Buster and friends: There are probably ten thousand (at least; probably much more) households with no domain network, for each household where there is a domain. For all these other people, Sandboxie still is free, in the sense that they are not required to pay for using it.

Please keep that in mind when you state that "clearly" Sandboxie isn't free anymore.

Anyway, as dlguild implied, I'm looking into ways to relax these restrictions. One way is the indeed the laptop case, but there may be more exclusions to allow use at home. Please hold on a couple of days.

SnDPhoenix · Post by **SnDPhoenix** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:41 am

Ok, read this since you still can't seem to grasp the concept:

Shareware:
Software that you can try out free of charge. After a certain trial period, you have to register the software with the author for a small fee.

Freeware:
Software that is available for download and unlimited use without charge.

Hmm, I wonder which definition defines Sandboxie better? Well if Sandboxie was shareware, then you could try out the program for free and then after the trial period ends, you wouldn't be able to use the program anymore unless you payed. But thats simply not true since you can continue to use Sandboxie for free infinitely. Which leads me to the next definition. Is Sandboxie freeware? Hmm, well according to the definition, if you can use the program infinitely without charge, then it's deemed freeware.
So it looks to me like tzuk's homepage is perfectly correct!

tzuk · Post by **tzuk** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:56 pm

To the various guests: I've released version 3.20.01 which will let you use Sandboxie for free in your domain environment.

The catch is this: For each one computer that you want to use with Sandboxie, you will have to dedicate a second computer to act as a license server for Sandboxie. The second computer will only be doing license checks. It won't do any sandboxing.

This allows some degree of home use, and also a way to trial Sandboxie without asking for a trial key.

Another change in version 3.20.01 is that domain restrictions do not apply to portable computers.

More here.

MitchE323 · Post by **MitchE323** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:32 pm

Well Tzuk, it is obvious that you are not going to get a thank you or an apology here. Know though that everyone else has seen your efforts. Once again, an item brought to your attention and being immediately dealt with.(Which BTW has always been the case). I guess in a perfect world, people would educate themselves a bit prior to making such accusations. A simple Google search on "Definition of Freeware" brings the following up, there were dozens more. That's how easy it would have been for them. That is, if they had shown 1/100 of your effort.

The only criterion for being classified as "freeware" is that the software must be made available for use for an unlimited time at no cost. That is from; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware

Definition of Freeware here;
http://www.electronicsoft.net/en-us/terms.html

The definition of freeware and the last paragraph here;
http://blog.fwnetwork.com/2006/09/07/fr ... -software/
This page also states; "Other variations are related to the user interface and limitation of the features offered."

dlguild · Post by **dlguild** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:25 pm

MitchE323 wrote:Well Tzuk, it is obvious that you are not going to get a thank you or an apology here. Know though that everyone else has seen your efforts. Once again, an item brought to your attention and being immediately dealt with.(Which BTW has always been the case).

I concur completely. As one of the "everyone else" crowd, rest assured that we sincerely appreciate your efforts. Thanks!

tzuk · Post by **tzuk** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:31 pm

Thanks guys.

I got impression that the guests in this and similar topics deeply believed they were entitled to unlimited free use of Sandboxie, through some unspecified fundamental right. I took that right away completely first, and later on restored only some of it. You really think I should be thanked, or apologies to, for that?

But we are seeing less complaints about this whole issue, I'd like to take it as a sign that people are more or less content with the recent adjustments.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:49 am

I give a big THANK YOU to tzuk for all the great work and efforts he puts in his tool.

Continue this way!!!

wraithdu · Post by **wraithdu** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:42 am

I just wanted to say thanks as well, and report that Sandboxie works fine on my work/domain/laptop now

Rochey · Post by **Rochey** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:45 pm

tzuk,

I'll give you a BIG MAN Kiss!!! for making this work on my laptop.

Thank you.

Rochey

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