Neoava Guard Beta 3 Will Not Install

[TerryWood]

Tzuk

As promised

I cannot get Neova Guard to Install sandboxed.

To be fair, technically NG needs a reboot, but for my purposes an install would be sufficient.

In this case I get an error message as follows

"Error"

Cannot load Neoava Guard settings key :error 522

I realise you may feel that I am stretching Neova Guard as a candidate for failure to Sandbox. BUT NG DOES install in a Virtual Environment.

There do seem to be a number of proggies that initially will not install in Sandboxie.

I leave it up to you.

Terry
ps link for NG below


http://www.neoava.com/NG-b3-PB-301f.exe

[Rasheed187]

You´re kidding me right? You can´t compare SBIE with full OS virtualization tools like VMware. Simple tools will work correctly most of the time, but there are tools (for example some system utilities and a lot of security tools) who need to install themselves deeply into the system, these tools will fail to work correctly. For example, Neoava installs a driver, so no surprise it doesn´t work. So please don´t think that every app should work correctly via Sandboxie, it was never designed for this, and ain´t even possible.

[SnDPhoenix]

You´re kidding me right? You can´t compare SBIE with full OS virtualization tools like VMware. Simple tools will work correctly most of the time, but there are tools (for example some system utilities and a lot of security tools) who need to install themselves deeply into the system, these tools will fail to work correctly. For example, Neoava installs a driver, so no surprise it doesn´t work. So please don´t think that every app should work correctly via Sandboxie, it was never designed for this, and ain´t even possible.

QFT! Sandboxie is not a virtual enviroment, vmware, parallels, virtual pc, qemu, etc.. those are virtual enviroments, Sandboxie is H.I.P.S software (just like Neova).

[TerryWood]

Hi Rascheed187

Not an unreasonable response, but not everyone is as knowlegeable perhaps as you. Neither is there a clear cut off point at which one can clearly use S/boxie or not to install software sandboxed. I suppose that comes with time and experience.

I like Sandboxie, its simple unpretentious and does a lot of what it is supposed to do well. Tzuk supports it very well. HOWEVER NOT Everything is as smooth as it could be. One area I think there is room for improvement in the current version(s) is the ability to install software.

I am not talking about Nirvana, that is the ability to install sandboxed all products whether requiring reboot or not. Just simply consistency of install of those products it should be able to.

How you ask do I make such a comment? Simply by trying other products. If you are following the various threads on this topic you will know that I use Returnil Free.

It works extremely well (flawlessly) on installing in a virtual environment. But isn't that what Sandbxie does? But Returnil also has disadvantages.

I am like most people I want my "cake and eat it" .

I cannot argue with your last assertion "....correctly via Sandboxie, it was never designed for this, and ain´t even possible."

However some people said the earth was square!!

I understand PowerShadow and Returnil are looking to remove the Reboot from their software. Yes I know that Sandboxie is a little different, but not so different that it won't be affected if they (Returnil & PowerShadow) achieve what they want.

Regards

Terry

[tzuk]

Neither is there a clear cut off point at which one can clearly use S/boxie or not to install software sandboxed. I suppose that comes with time and experience.

A good rule of thumb is probably to consider how the software to be installed is going to interact with other software in your computer. From this perspective, there is a clear difference between "applications," which can be thought of as self-contained units, and "system software," which works by controlling other software.

[Rasheed187]

@TerryWood,

The thing is you can´t really compare SBIE with the tools you mentioned, they work in a different kind of way, so if you want to test tools without any problems you´re best bet is a tool like Vmware. I´m not sure how PowerShadow and Returnil work, but I guess you can also use these tools for testing.

Of course it is also possible to install quite a lot of tools via SBIE, but it won´t allow a tool to do anything it likes, because that would compromise security. And that´s another nice thing about SBIE, if some simple tool does not work sandboxed, you might want to think twice about installing this tool on your real machine.