Problem buy

[Nix]

@Bo it was smart, and Luck at the same time, "Got a little bonus that month"


Another Suggestion:

Why not make the "license Lifetime but limited updates for a year", you either have to prolong/extend the license for future updates or a lifetime lincense for 15euro/pc... that would be reasonable!

It's a WIN-WIN situation IMO.

[Peter2150]

Good grief. Enough with all the silly suggestions.

Do you not think that someone as smart as Tzuk hasn't thought thru what he did. He's thought it thru, made a decision, and will probably wait at least some period of time to evaluate before considering changing anything.

So all these suggests are just a waste of keystrokes.

Pete

[Blues]

Good grief. Enough with all the silly suggestions.

Do you not think that someone as smart as Tzuk hasn't thought thru what he did. He's thought it thru, made a decision, and will probably wait at least some period of time to evaluate before considering changing anything.

So all these suggests are just a waste of keystrokes.

Pete

^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^

[Nix]

Good grief. Enough with all the silly suggestions.

Do you not think that someone as smart as Tzuk hasn't thought thru what he did. He's thought it thru, made a decision, and will probably wait at least some period of time to evaluate before considering changing anything.

So all these suggests are just a waste of keystrokes.

Pete

True!!! Only time will tell...no argue there

In support for Sandboxie, that's why this opinion/suggestions are made...Although it easy for us w/ Sandboxie(Lifetime), to say such suggestions as "Silly". Just got a bit concern cause recently there are AV's that also provide sandbox, not that configurable, but still having the same function, and free.

Anyway like Pete said its just a "waste of keystroke", a waste were willing to do to support Sandboxie... PEACE (^_^ .V,,)

[barny]

Good grief. Enough with all the silly suggestions.

Do you not think that someone as smart as Tzuk hasn't thought thru what he did.

Hardly silly suggestions. From a business perspective, if I had made a change like this I would want to know what the end users think of it. Only recently, Microsoft have backtracked after making changes, following the response from end users/businesses.

I'm not sure tzuk really thought through the ramifications of this change, as the way he went about it don't make sense from a business perspective (ie. lost revenue from people who were about to purchase, and now won't purchase; bad feeling generated by not mentioning on the forum beforehand, resentment against subcription/renting model etc.). You only have to compare to some other companies who have made similar changes but been more open about the change, and so avoided the backlash.

As I've already said though - Tzuk is the author and can do as he pleases.

[Peter2150]

Good grief. Enough with all the silly suggestions.

Do you not think that someone as smart as Tzuk hasn't thought thru what he did.

Hardly silly suggestions. From a business perspective, if I had made a change like this I would want to know what the end users think of it. Only recently, Microsoft have backtracked after making changes, following the response from end users/businesses.

I'm not sure tzuk really thought through the ramifications of this change, as the way he went about it don't make sense from a business perspective (ie. lost revenue from people who were about to purchase, and now won't purchase; bad feeling generated by not mentioning on the forum beforehand, resentment against subcription/renting model etc.). You only have to compare to some other companies who have made similar changes but been more open about the change, and so avoided the backlash.

As I've already said though - Tzuk is the author and can do as he pleases.

Your assuming Tzuk wasn't smart enough to think it thru? We don't have the facts to begin to judge business perspective. Tzuk does. For instance how many many lifetime licenses versus how many new purchases. If a majority of the users going to Windows 8.1 are lifetime licenses then look at the time he is spending on 8.1 compatibility and issues for very very little revenue. That is a terrible business model. I have a small business and if the only revenue I got was new clients I'd be gone in a month.

[barny]

Your assuming Tzuk wasn't smart enough to think it thru? We don't have the facts to begin to judge business perspective. Tzuk does. For instance how many many lifetime licenses versus how many new purchases. If a majority of the users going to Windows 8.1 are lifetime licenses then look at the time he is spending on 8.1 compatibility and issues for very very little revenue. That is a terrible business model. I have a small business and if the only revenue I got was new clients I'd be gone in a month.

You miss my point - I get that lifetime licences aren't really sustainable as a business model and that it makes sense to get rid of lifetime licences, and Tzuk could still have done this (although I think a perpetual licence with 1 years updates is better suited and more acceptable for end users than the subscription/renting model), but just without the negatives and with extra revenue...

- Announcing the change in advance (eg. 2 weeks) on the forum and allowing people a last minute chance to snag a lifetime licence, would have removed nearly all of the negative reaction and gained extra revenue in the short term.
- People who were on the fence about whether to purchase would most likely have purchased lifetime licences, whereas a lot of them will not purchase now, so you've lost sales instead of gaining sales.
- By having a perpetual licence with 1 years updates instead of subscription, you still gain your continual revenue stream through people purchasing updates (ie. at a discounted rate like 50%) to keep up-to-date.

The counter-argument is that a lot of those people who were going to buy lifetime licences would now purchase a subscription licence, thereby leading to greater continual revenue - I simply can't see this happening due to the massive difference between the two licences and the bad feeling generated by not pre-announcing the decision.

From a business perspective, both ways end up at the same point, but the way that was used generated negative feelings/publicity and lost the extra revenue from people who would've purchased or were on the fence. I know which way makes more business sense to me.

[bo.elam]

Get a license, you ll be happy.

Bo

[Nix]

What a Long debate... it's still rest on Ronen's decision!


Just a thought, what if rather changing the license, the Free version was removed?!

It will then be a matter if Like-it, Buy-it...

[Peter 123]

Just a thought, what if rather changing the license, the Free version was removed?!

That's something that possibly will happen anyway - in case that the revenue from the new licensing model should not be satisfying. (Of course this is only my personal assumption, I have no information about such a step.)

Probably it would not take place a complete removal of the free version, but a drastic reduction of its features compared to what it offers to its users now.

[ololo]

dear tzuk, you software is awesome
but new licensing options are a bit strange

I thought of three variants of changes (you may combine them if you want), here they are:

1) make license for two pc-s, as home/laptop (i'm using licensed 3.76 for laptop and pc for example)

2) require new license for ground-up rewrite of sandboxie - like to win8, win9, win10 support. Have upgraded windows for $ => upgrade sandboxie for $ as well.

3) return lifetime license, but charge more for it - maybe VMware-like price (300$). where I live shitty kaspersky costs 70$ a year and 40$ to prolong license next year. it isn't fair. your software is awesome, it beats up all antivirus products - all safe and fast.


it seems reasonable for me. adobe with their new 'online photoshop' with yearly subscription sucks, office365 sucks too. don't become like them.

cheers

[CPB]

where I live shitty kaspersky costs 70$ a year and 40$ to prolong license next year.

And how much would Sandboxie cost per year where you live?

[Throwawayaccount123456]

I think that removing the lifetime licensing model was a good move and long overdue.
I was very lucky to buy one of those licenses in September.

But I very much dislike the leftover licensing model.
I was planning on advertising Sandboxie to my friends once I had the time to chat to them again, but due to the new licensing model I dismissed that plan.

- By having a perpetual licence with 1 years updates instead of subscription, you still gain your continual revenue stream through people purchasing updates (ie. at a discounted rate like 50%) to keep up-to-date.

This model looks good to me.
I'd advertise Sandboxie to my friends if it existed and its price was around or below 30 EUR.

[Peter2150]

I think that removing the lifetime licensing model was a good move and long overdue.
I was very lucky to buy one of those licenses in September.

But I very much dislike the leftover licensing model.
I was planning on advertising Sandboxie to my friends once I had the time to chat to them again, but due to the new licensing model I dismissed that plan.

- By having a perpetual licence with 1 years updates instead of subscription, you still gain your continual revenue stream through people purchasing updates (ie. at a discounted rate like 50%) to keep up-to-date.

This model looks good to me.
I'd advertise Sandboxie to my friends if it existed and its price was around or below 30 EUR.

A non existent model looking good is not really relevant.

But rather then color things with your feelings, why not tell them how great Sandboxie is, and how much it costs, and then let them make decision. Why deprive them of that choice?

[Throwawayaccount123456]

A non existent model looking good is not really relevant.

It's not relevant to what?

[...] why not tell them how great Sandboxie is, and how much it costs, and then let them make decision. Why deprive them of that choice?

I'm uninterested in wasting my friends' time.
The leftover licensing model counterbalances many positives of the program.
I don't want to recommend the free version as a browser sandbox because the nagscreen is way too annoying.


Imagine you're satisfied with your old Sandboxie version because the new features don't interest you and you haven't yet moved on to the next operating system.

Imagine you don't have the money to buy a license next year. You lose the security of all sandboxes except one, and that's after having spent time configuring them all.