Sandbox technology to make uninstall program...

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Sandbox technology to make uninstall program...

Post by Clouds® » Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:26 pm

Hey all!

First let me say I love Sandboxie: I love Sandboxie :lol:

I use Sandboxie a lot to try programs before really installing them.
That is, install something in the sandbox, try it, and delete it or install outside the sandbox.

I use that method because I don't want any orphaned files or regkeys on my system, and I don't like the lot of uninstall managers since they all work the same: make system snapshot, install something, make another snapshot, compare changes. It's slow and I think that method sucks :wink:

Crossed my mind that Sandboxie holds the key to a more sophisticated uninstall manager.....

Sandboxie reroutes all write actions (be it in register or files) to a sandbox.
What if we don't reroute the write actions, but just record what happens?
That way there is a list of regkeys/files that have been changed by the installation process, maybe even a list of *what* was changed....
Or a snapshot could be taken of each file just before and after it changes, so that only files that are changed are in the snapshot, and not half your harddisk...

So basically instead of sandboxing an installation program to keep it inside the sandbox, one would sandbox the installation program just to monitor and track the actions it performs.....to be able rollback those changes later...

I would love such an uninstall feature/application.

Just think about it....and maybe make it happen?

Best regards,
Clouds®

PS: Hope the text above makes sense to human beings....

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Post by street011 » Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:03 pm

mostly thats what current uninstallers do... record (or know from install info) wich entries to remove and does so... leaving everything written after install behind...

so sandboxie can't be of any help there.... but ofcourse you can just install a program in the sandbox and later remove the sandbox

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Post by tzuk » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:30 pm

And to me this seems like a Program Request rather than a Feature Request. In other words, too different from what Sandboxie is doing now.
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Post by Unknown_User_717 » Thu May 31, 2007 5:46 pm

actually, i dont think this would be TOO far off base ... but only if it was done differently for two reasons

the way the original poster explained, he wanted the monitoring to only last during the install, which should all be logged in the standard uninstaller anyway (as street011 said)

however the other possible way to impliment SOMETHING to make his situation (and others i'm sure) easier, would be to allow the integration of a "successfull install"

example, your pc has windows, and programs A and B. you decide to install program C, after playing with it for a few hours/days/whatever you decide you like it.

currently, what is needed to do this, is to delete the sandbox, and install the program again
afterward you must configure it all again from scratch, which is what you assumably just finished a few days doing to begin with

what would be nice... is to be able to merge a sandbox into the current configuration, (requiring administrator account for obvious reasons) instead of requiring a second install/configuration

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Post by street011 » Thu May 31, 2007 6:26 pm

mysteryman wrote:actually, i dont think this would be TOO far off base ... but only if it was done differently for two reasons

the way the original poster explained, he wanted the monitoring to only last during the install, which should all be logged in the standard uninstaller anyway (as street011 said)

however the other possible way to impliment SOMETHING to make his situation (and others i'm sure) easier, would be to allow the integration of a "successfull install"

example, your pc has windows, and programs A and B. you decide to install program C, after playing with it for a few hours/days/whatever you decide you like it.

currently, what is needed to do this, is to delete the sandbox, and install the program again
afterward you must configure it all again from scratch, which is what you assumably just finished a few days doing to begin with

what would be nice... is to be able to merge a sandbox into the current configuration, (requiring administrator account for obvious reasons) instead of requiring a second install/configuration
also that request has been done before, and will cost tzuk more time of achieving then it will all of us just reinstalling the programm...

whats the problem with reinstalling a program? it's a matter of seconds... and any files you saved you can just copy from the sandbox to the real system.

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Post by tzuk » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:49 pm

street011 wrote:also that request has been done before, and will cost tzuk more time of achieving then it will all of us just reinstalling the programm...
That's right, I still stand by this statement.

First, I'd have to put a lot of time into this feature, which I simply don't care for. This alone makes the feature candidate for "most likely to not happen." :)

Second, if you have some obscure third-party shell extension, or whatever, that is not directly related to the program being installed, but at the same time, it does create (or modify) files during the installation of some program you ARE interested in, then Sandboxie is going to have to be made aware of these "garbage" files and not "merge" them.

Third, I'd create this feature, and then people would try to merge, and it would mess something up, merge "too much" or not enough, and I'd just have to make endless tweaks to it.

Maybe it's time for another FAQ entry.

Q. Can we have a feature that merges programs into the real system after they have been installed into the sandbox?

A. NO!!!

:D
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Post by SnDPhoenix » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:34 pm

tzuk wrote: Maybe it's time for another FAQ entry.

Q. Can we have a feature that merges programs into the real system after they have been installed into the sandbox?

A. NO!!!

:D
I approve!!! lol
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Post by street011 » Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:11 am

SnDPhoenix wrote:
I approve!!! lol
i second that

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Post by tururu » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:48 pm

Hi;
Similar topic already posted:

http://sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1376
Bye
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